RAW Course Wrap Chat Transcript

17:07:01 [jonnyg] Good evening Mr. Wilson!!
17:07:09 rllrjammer enters this room
17:07:51 [RAW] good evening jonny 17:08:26
[jonnyg] thanks for this chance to wrap our course up
17:08:51 [RAW] hello mr. rlljammer
17:08:55 [rllrjammer] Hi, everybody.
17:09:23 [RAW] my pleasure. any questions?
17:10:13 [jonnyg] What does the next 5-10 years look like in the future
17:10:45 [jonnyg] are you still hopeful like some of your mid 90s interviews or are you as scared as we are?
17:11:24 [RAW] i don't know. i expect termendous breakthroughs in the sciences and the arts. and in politics i expect nothing.
17:11:52 [jonnyg] art is best left to the utterly miserable
17:12:17 [RAW] at my age you can't get scared anymore.
17:13:05 [rllrjammer] I worry that the breakthroughs in the sciences won't happen fast enough, or be squelched before they can occur.
17:13:08 [RAW] sorry but i disagree. beethoven was not utterly miserable when he wrote the 9th sympathy, for example.
17:13:50 [jonnyg] True...the mistake of a young man who loves to jump to conclusions...in one of your books a feminist professor calls it a hymn to rape though
17:14:11 [RAW] who is going to squelch them, and how? look at history, they break through. 17:15:40 [dan] maybe the true artist has to go underground i think Duchamp said that... 17:15:52 [RAW] she might consider van gogh's "starry sky" as a glorification of serial killers. i think she's nuts.
17:16:23 [jonnyg] I am interested in the kids culture jamming...putting up fake traffic signs, arrows leading to nowhere, anti bush and war propaganda posters all over downtown SF...Has anyone here seen the posters with a stencil of a man's face and the words "OBEY"
17:17:06 [RAW] if you're original enough you'll end up in the underground if you live long enough.
17:17:54 [RAW] that's all a part of operation minkfuck.
17:17:57 [rllrjammer] I hope so. I look at the efforts to stop stem cell research and the attempts to control the quantity and availability of vitamin supplements (and other medicinal products) and think they might be successful. Other times, I'm more optimistic.
17:18:32 [jonnyg] RAW you seem to be a master of intellectual reproduction...you've spent a life researching and learning what interests you...but the amazing thing about it is you seem to have passed on your reality tunnel to all of us...Was thata conscious plan?
17:19:57 [jonnyg] To clarify...it's like your brain is breeding....seducing and mating with all of ours
17:22:28 RAW enters this room
17:23:24 [RAW] the holy inquistion did not stop science. i doubt george bush will do anybetter. 17:23:27 [jonnyg] everyone still here?
17:24:03 [rllrjammer] I'm still here.
17:25:05 [RAW] i think i have a drive to spread my memes the way most men want to spread their genes.
17:25:43 [rllrjammer] The mailman just arrived and left Info-Psychology on my doorstep! 17:26:10 [jonnyg] ME TOO! just kidding
17:26:30 [RAW] i think every writer wants to change people for the better, as far as you can understand what is the better.
17:28:48 [jonnyg] thanks, you have made my reality tunnel a hell of a lot more interesting....I know you hate to play the guru role...but what would you tell someone who wanted to put your memes into action and honor you?
17:30:37 [RAW] putting my memes into action in your life is something only you can understand. i don't know enough about your life situation. there are no general rules. only individual applications.
17:32:09 [jonnyg] What can we do besides sharing your books with friends and discussing them to bring about a more "RAW" style consciousness non aristolean thinking to the masses...I don't want to convert, but I would like more freaky peple to talk to
17:33:19 [RAW] you'll find the freaky people online. don't look in the mass media channels 17:35:06 [jonnyg] what have you experienced in your time on earth that you would tell us not to miss
17:35:22 [dan] yes, you have really made my reality tunnel much broader in what you teach and you'r example in buddhist teachings
17:36:09 [RAW] sex, drugs and rock and roll.
17:37:07 [RAW] buddhism is one of my three favorite religions.
17:37:29 [jonnyg] others?
17:38:13 [RAW] a long happy marriage. if you're lucky.
17:38:48 [RAW] and an apartment with a great ocean view.
17:39:20 [jonnyg] do folks in the OTO really partake of comingled sperm and menstrual fluid in the gnostic catholic mass?
17:39:52 sjburke enters this room
17:41:03 [RAW] depends on which OTO you're talking about. there are 1005 outer heads all leading their own OTOs.
17:41:07 [jonnyg] it makes sense...but it's pretty dissapointing as SECRETS go
17:42:06 [RAW] what's disappointing?
17:43:09 [jonnyg] The caliphate bickering in the east bay...politization of the freemason lodge I visit...people always find a way to mess up idealism with their humanity...And I am the pope 17:43:46 [jonnyg] I just want to get on with the business of creating heaven on earth like your jesuit Benoit
17:45:29 [jonnyg] I can't figure if I'd be better off loving all the assholes into submission or just killing them
17:45:52 [RAW] occult politics, like ordinary politics, shows humanity at its lowest level. i try and ignore it.
17:46:55 [RAW] i believe we have a law against killing all the assholes. if you start at the top, its not even ordinary killing anymore. it's assination.
17:47:09 [jonnyg] have you ever found an organization that satisfies our desire to share and belong and also reconciles the indviduality of each being
17:47:55 [RAW] yes, but it has no name.
17:48:13 [RAW] it just call it "friends".
17:48:53 [jonnyg] How much do you charge for membership?
17:48:58 [sjburke] Maybe you don't have to do either the loving or the killing
17:49:00 [jonnyg] sorry
17:49:50 [jonnyg] SJ?
17:50:20 [RAW] the middle way. more mentation and less munition.
17:50:44 [sjburke] I'm just getting up to speed here. Haven't used chat before
17:51:21 Josh21 enters this room
17:52:04 [Josh21] Hello, sorry I'm coming in late
17:52:11 [RAW] 9 more minutes, good folks, and i must leave the computer.
17:52:27 [sjburke] Buckminster Fullers 'livingry' (instead of weaponry) currently gives me something to do that feels useful and helpful
17:52:46 [jonnyg] If one disagrees with the actions of their gov't, wouldn't it be logical to stop funding their wars and programs...Could a movement to stop paying your taxes have any real effect under our curren monetary system
17:52:47 [RAW] hi josh. btw where is everybody, in geospace?
17:52:59 [Josh21] Well, since I've got 9 min left, thanks, Bob, it's been fun and freaky
17:53:18 [Josh21] I'm in cookeville, tn
17:53:23 [jonnyg] I'm typing for all of em RAW
17:53:38 [rllrjammer] Dublin, California
17:54:01 [sjburke] Everybody, I hope you got mucho from this course. It certainly rocked my monkey world
17:54:14 [RAW] i think it's already happening. there's hints in the media that the irs is 7 years behind auditing forms because there's so much cheeting going on.
17:54:40 [Josh21] I've had a blast-lots of trouble keeping up tho
17:54:40 [sjburke] I'm Melbourne, Australia, in the beautiful sunshine
17:54:49 [jonnyg] Cajah's Mountain, North Caroline at the fiancee's parents(they think I'm anti-social cuz they don't know bout RAW)
17:55:06 [dan] i'm here in old lancaster, P.A.
17:56:45 [sjburke] To keep up with this course, I've had to work with bigger and bigger chunks of info, until I '[arrived" at a colossal 'maybe'.
17:56:46 [RAW] i'm in capitola in my apartment overlooking the pacific bay of the pacific ocean. and i love the view. for more details on the view see "Old man on a balcony" - poems on my site. 17:57:08 [jonnyg] At the risk of being schmaltzy...while I can I'd like to say thanks to RAW...for his books, ideas and the energy to grow them in all of us...RAW you have made me a better human and the world a better place...I love knowing that growing up doesn't mean I'll get "OLD"
17:57:35 [jonnyg] and I love the little bit I know of you
17:57:52 [RAW] thank you thank you thank you
17:57:58 [jonnyg] and everyone in this class...ya'll are sex drugs and rock n roll
17:58:02 [rllrjammer] Jonyg speaks for me, also.
17:58:09 [sjburke] That's not schmaltzy at all jonnyg- I'm right with ya.
17:58:37 [Josh21] I'm with jonnyg too, great point about growing up, not old
17:59:22 [sjburke] I am now officially moved- and I don't mean 'maybe'
17:59:49 [RAW] as betty davis said, old age isn't for sissies. and as george burns said, it's better than the alterative. a hell of a lot better, i think.
18:00:09 [dan] yea.. looking foward to taking the crowley and quantum courses with RAW 18:00:51 [RAW] one final word of advice. live so that people love you. you'll need them when you get old.
18:01:23 [Josh21] thanks for the advice--have fun, bob
18:01:28 [sjburke] I return to my planet now
18:01:30 [RAW] good bye friends. see you in the later courses! -bob
18:01:35 [Josh21] see you next class
18:01:44 [rllrjammer] Thanks so much for everything
18:01:52 RAW exits from this room
18:02:04 [jonnyg] Thanks...I n I will meet again
18:03:54 [Josh21] bye,yall, its been fun
18:04:00 Josh21 exits from this room
18:05:03 [rllrjammer] Bye. everybody. Hope to talk to you all in the next class.

RAW did you write this or is it a quote??

consider this from Robert Anton Wilson's "The Widow's Son"...Wilson is either quoting from a defense of freemasonry by a priest named Henri Benoit around 1797 or he wrote a beautiful summary of the purpose of speculative masonry

Quote:

..."Every Christian, of every sect, prays in church on Sunday, "Thy kingdom come, thy will be done, ON EARTH as it is in heaven." Not one in a thousand stops to think what these words mean; not one in ten thousand dares to imagine that they could mean exactly what they say...Speculative Masonry is the coherent will of all those committed to the Great Work of achieving the meaning of the Lord's Prayer, so that the mind of the Great Architect of the Universe will be manifest, not only in the marvelous harmony of the stars at night but in the daily lives of men and women everywhere- on earth as it is in heaven."

RAW if it is a quote can you provide some context, like where you found it and what you think of it...

If it is your words...wow...thats my next tattoo

RAW:
I wrote it...trying to imagine why an intelligent
18th Century Jesuit wd become a freemason

The fun of writing fiction, like acting, lies
in escaping yr.self and becoming an Italian
terrorist, a bisexual nobleman, a
shaman etc- even a Jesuit mason...

JG:
What a perfect demonstration of cosmic mind, indra's net and all the other FRED we've been ranting about...I think therefore I am?

Is the only barrier to experiencing "mystical oneness" your imagination?

As a gemini, I pride myself on adapting to or adjusting myself to fit any situation...even if it means acting or taking up views I don't usually...Whether my inspriation is a fictional character (Sigismundo) or a "real" person I admire, I really enjoy the attempt to jump into other reality tunnels. Many times I lose sight of who/what I was before the acting, mimicking, adaptation began and end up incorporating it into myself as another aspect of my personal experience. I find this especially helpful as a salesman since mirroring the accent, tone and mood of my clients seems to sell more than being "myself"

BM:
Pacing and Leading, hey Johnny G? Do you know any NLP theory, or are you just a 'natural'?

[I am not being offensive - that very question (or are you just what we call a 'natural'?) was asked of me by a committee member when I applied to The Arts Council for a training bursary to study mime...and they saw how little formal training I had, in spite of an extended resume as a performer. It's a snobbery against 'circus arts' that they don't consider them 'arts' when it comes to funding!]

JG:
If so...all I know about it I read in RAW's books...I googled it some and it looks like many corporations have turned it into a sales/marketing training course/tool...I have had no training and would love to consider myself a natural...but most of my luck with this stuff is from mimicing my environment or company.

Have lived in in Los Angeles, San Francisco, Florida, Hawaii, North Carolina, Mexico for spells which has blurred my natural accent to the point where most say I don't have one.

When I lived in Hawaii, they hated haoles so I affected a pidgin english accent to seem more "local"

When I lived in Mexico, I had lighter skin than most so I incorporated as much slang and border spanglish into my vocab to gain the confidence of co-workers and neighbors.

Whenever I visit my fiancee's parents in rural north carolina, I develop a keen interest in NASCAR, BBQ and a slow drawl to not seem so alien to her parents

My college friend James is from Trinidad and speaks "proper english" which I imitated whenever we hung out...so when his folks came for graduation I put on the accent and they thought I must be from Trinidad too.

The funny thing is...I can't just throw on a accent or demeanor at the drop of a hat or request...I need about a minute or so to absorb whatever I want to mimic before I can project it myself.

Bogus, can you speak on some of your experiences/training with NLP and the"circus arts"?

BM:

Ah well, I am not trained in NLP (I did a two-day weekend ONCE). I just read a lot of their stuff - and am currently investigating similar material from the conjuring/magic fraternity. Be clear, that NLP founders did not invent this stuff - they studied 'naturals' like Virginia Satir, and Milton Erickson and tried to generalise what it was that effective therapists did to see if it could be taught. So this may just be 'blokes' learning the hard way what good communicators and mosbunall women know already! It's funny - what you describe is chameleonic behaviour - which I can identify with - I can't 'do accents' at all, and never really got into acting that much - but I have the same tendency to blend in when travelling. As to circus skills - that was my main thing for decades - something I researched when it seemed like a dying art - but New Circus (without animals) is now vigorous and thriving, without much more input from me. I am about to become a Trustee of a community circus that I helped found 20 years ago, which has become a charity - but you won't catch me juggling much any more (I kinda fell out of love with it as a pastime). So many things to try - so little time! In the main forum (if you have access) I posted quite a lot in free range/different kinds of magic but here's a few links from there: * Diatribes on The Diatribe of NLP, Or, How To Learn To Communicate So Well You Forget How To Talk Like A Human Being http://www.wonderwizards.com/faq.php?qid=40&catid=14 is a magician and mentalist being funny about the NLP people who didn't know a lot of this had been invented by the show-biz folks * http://www.magicandnlp.com/index.html (magic, not magick, world) * This guy is into therapy, NLP, conjuring AND ritual magic (!) http://www.23nlpeople.com/ main site http://www.23nlpeople.com/nlp_and_magic.htm conjuring/Derren Brown http://www.23nlpeople.com/Interview.htm Ritual Magic Perhaps it's a coincidence his initials are A.A.

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I and I is a complex term, referring to the oneness of Jah (God) and every human. Rastafarian scholar E. E. Cashmore: "I and I is an expression to totalize the concept of oneness, the oneness of two persons. So God is within all of us and we're one people in fact. I and I means that God is in all men. The bond of Ras Tafari is the bond of God, of man. But man itself needs a head and the head of man is His Imperial Majesty Haile Selassie I of Ethiopia." The term is often used in place of "you and I" or "we" among Rastafarians, implying that both persons are united under the love of Jah.